Rational points on elliptic curves over the rationals Computing the full group ? r1=matdet(ellheightmatrix(E,R[4])) %24 = 3.7542920288254557283540759015628405708 ? r2=matdet(ellheightmatrix(E,S)) %25 = 0.41714355875838396981711954461809339675 ? r1/r2 %26 = 9.0000000000000000000000000000000000000 We have found a group which is 3 times larger.